Actual occult initiation

[mskied]

Essentially agape initiation is the recognition of intention to do good, and to generate good will. This also includes the faith in the good will of others. This results in Chessed, and in the Christian interpretation, it results in being submissive and avoiding harming (as well as provoking simple acts of charity). One can stop here, and choose the Gardenian philosophy to "harm none", or one can blind themselves to the truth that not all intentions are good from both others and myself. I may believe that my intentions are the best, and that the actions that follow are the best choice, but in light of a chaotic origin, I cannot say how they will be interpreted. This does not give me license to act without reason; for the truth of all initiation is, that the highest goal is reason. With reason, we understand intention, and anticipate a reaction- thereby measuring our intention with the potential outcome. Reason also dictates that we explain our intention, rather than just take action without definition. Intention is the key to Divine initiation, and it starts with agape- but to sit and believe in the good will of others, or that your intention is all that is necessary, is a faulty view. It is also faulty to believe that you need no intention either way- because doing acts of chaos for the sake of invention or instigation does not provide for a secure environment, nor does it provide for an environment where we intend no harm. Doing things because we don't believe in good or evil is not true to the idea of love, and love is the inspiration and measure of our actions, and is essentially; God. Chaos may be the actual condition, but that is not the condition we are meant to exist in. We are not meant to exist in it, and we cannot afford to exist in it. There is an order to this world, and love is the key to that order. We can settle our minds upon a potentially false ideal that all we need is intention, or we can do as perduarabo suggests, and endure to the end of discovering absolute good from our intentions to do loving actions. Initiation is about discovering love, interpreting chaos, learning to use reason and will, and apply words to what we do so that we define reality in the best possible light.
The formula that i invented is: Liberty without wisdom is chaos, wisdom without love is cruelty, love without reason is lust. The purpose for Do What Thou Wilt, in my humble opinion, is to discover reason, and to use love as our measuring stick, and to focus our will into a positive force of action- as well as to educate ourselves in the history and methods of spirituality and science, and to become adept with words (ala the God of language; Thoth) to create and co-create our surrounding world. This is the Great Work in full light of potential. This is the "new age". It begins with an awareness of love, the liberty to pursue the good, and a commitment to bringing those ideas into full fruition. That is initiation, and without this intention, we will not be recognized by any God, angel, or demon.

[mskied]

The concept that there is a Devil that does not know love or good contradicts all that we aught to revere in terms of a God. Even a demon knows what love is, and the reason for all the fables of a demon torturing a person is because this demon is expecting to bring about the highest possible good; essentially this demon is the most righteous angel in Gods army. The point is not to become devils; the point is to become angels, and to attain to the Divinity that is becoming of a God and king, and all good Gods and kings are that because they help their fellow beings. Doing what thou wilt without care or concern is absolutely not the right interpretation, even though it may be true that any action will cause a reaction, and that any reaction and action will provide invention- that is not science! And it is not logical, and it is not reason- and reason, science and logic are what will ultimately save mankind, not God. Why would God want to help anyone that does not want to help mankind? No good God would do such a thing, and as there is an order to this nature, we must confess that God is good, and that God, having watched all of this and potentially created it would see what is good- and that would mean productivity, settling disputes fairly and efficiently, and loving one another and assisting one another. Anything short of this aim is true to the concept of that inferior interpretation of God, which is an evil source ala Devil of demon (in the negative use of the term). The only devil is the one we choose to become, all Divine Beings are good.

[mskied]

The truth is that all of these secret things are simple to define once you spend enough time contemplating the foundation from which they emerge. First we must recognize and acknowledge intention, and that all intention comes from the fundamental source of love- and our reaction to it. If the intention is love and not revenge for some perceived wrong, then love is the goal. Now that we know intention, we use reason to contemplate our action, and the possible reaction that might occur and measure it with whether it satisfies the truest definition of agape- which is the most fair and necessary definition of love; for all of us together make up the whole, and not one of us deserves to take advantage over the other- all must benefit. Once we have decided the best course of action, we must also define chaos and evil- for the negative definition of these words is the possibility that we face as we engage in our actions with others. When we consider that we are all part of the community, it should be easy to assess how to benefit that community AKA the world, the best. This is no time to make compromises- the greatest ideal is the best idea. Now that we understand the negative potential, we weight our choices to decide the best possible course of action. This allows us the defense against the ill intention of others, provides us with the faith in our best aim at the good, and assists us as we define what that is. This is the essential faith in a good God, and it is the good faith allowed us from the Gods for ourselves and mankind.

[mskied]

There will always always always be greed and lust, and there will always always always be generation after generation that will want to achieve the fulfillment of those ideas to whatever extent at whatever cost. There is no one to stop your wanting except for yourself, and I cannot even say that in your greed and lust you will not invent or create some marvelous thing that we all might benefit from. It all depends on your definition of love.

[mskied]

To the agnostic God is CHAOS to the gnostic God is GENEROSITY

[mskied]

You do not need to journey through the jungle to the temple that is your heart. You can simply pretend that your heart is not surrounded, and do the acts as Christ requests. Or, you can attain to an authenticity in being that few can manage, as you fight back the overgrowth of deception provided by the world of necessary selfishness, and rediscover the truth about yourself, and God.

[mskied]

Love is the one we offend.

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you'd make good buddies with Marilyn Manson.

[mskied]

Desire does not cause suffering. Life is desire, and it is desire that causes us to experience life, and create. Suffering is caused as we pursue desire, and if we engage in unfair acts that wind up in injustice and cruelty we cause suffering. This is why I state "Remember to love as you pursue that which you love" . If you can dispute this wisdom, then please feel free, I welcome arguments. I cannot say I will not get annoyed, especially should you choose to mock my idea without even trying to dispute or convince me otherwise. Simple mockery will result in my becoming angry. As I have invested the past two decades in examining chaos, love, and liberty, I am comfortable with my wisdom. I believe this is the spiritual message of God, and I am fine where I am, and have done my VERY best at sharing my journey, my insight, and my apologies. If this is not enough, I cannot do more right now. If you feel that you do enough, I will no longer contest that you are. I am finished with all of this, I have made my statements, I have resolved my experiences and wisdom, and I am moving on.

[mskied]

When you ask yourself "what is truth" you have to define a measure for it. Is that measure liberty, as the law at first suggests? Is it Chaos, as some people think? What could it be....? I think that the measure is love, and it is through loves redemption and definition that we are able to make the proper choices. Reason is necessary here: we all have to make decisions that may contradict loves definition in order to survive and excel. Each of us is meant to discover our will-to-love in order to make the choice we believe in, and in whatever way we choose to compromise it, we will be evaluated on the why and how and what occurred. This is not to say that any one definition of love is the best, although when it comes to viewing the world as a community of individuals, we would need to recognize that the group needs to come a step before the self. In my opinion white magic is liberty and love, while black magic is restriction and selfishness. The black is necessary, as is the white: we must find a way to restrain the immature impulses that are created from liberated love, for the sake of survival. Good and Evil are easily defined in this light, and both sides have aspects of both. Ultimately I define good as that which assists, and evil as that which opposes. It also applies to approval of value. I also think there are the three middle schools of magic- Indigo, red and yellow. These three represent the various methods in which we magicians mix and match the white and the black. Indigo being the creative mixing of the white and black, red being the reduction process of separating the two, and yellow being indifferent to action (the reed in the wind). We magicians must decide what form of magic to employ as we decide our will, and our definitions of words, and how we go about the world. Do what thou wilt is the liberty to define love, and the liberty to decide how we best make our way, and influence the world around us. It isnt that we should be free to do ill, it is that we should be free to define and defend the good and the ill- to look deeper into causes. However, it is also recognizing that people that do "ill" may not necessarily be to blame directly. We as a community must come together and figure this out- and in light of this I think the "be silent" part of things needs to be dismissed; man cannot afford to be silent.

[mskied]

To the untrained eye (mind) the world is a confusing list of choices and accidents- providing both good and bad. Magick teaches us to be aware of this confusion and choice, and to make the better decision as we progress on our journey. This confusing world can be defined as the Greeks defined it, by the word CHAOS. Chaos is 1.confusion 2.destruction 3.potential. Red magic is the reductive/destructive aspect of chaos (Devil/Satan), Indigo is the productive/creative aspect (Angel), and yellow is the indifferent reaction to an apparently impossible to define existence(Buddhism, Tao). All of this is measured by love, and for love there are two aspects: 1. selfish and 2. charitable. As we journey through, we must not only pursue love in the selfish aspect, but we must also practice it in a generous/communal aspect. In this we begin to define good and evil. What is the ORDER above all of this? That is the journey of discovery, and as we journey we are given the faith of a generous God that trusts us to discover the best choice- using love.

[mskied]

"Dear God, I submit to your power and authority, and should you be willing to teach me, I will serve you eternally"

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Jan 7, 2018 11:02:03 GMT -6 mskied said:

Desire does not cause suffering. Life is desire, and it is desire that causes us to experience life, and create. Suffering is caused as we pursue desire, and if we engage in unfair acts that wind up in injustice and cruelty we cause suffering. This is why I state "Remember to love as you pursue that which you love" . If you can dispute this wisdom, then please feel free, I welcome arguments. I cannot say I will not get annoyed, especially should you choose to mock my idea without even trying to dispute or convince me otherwise. Simple mockery will result in my becoming angry. As I have invested the past two decades in examining chaos, love, and liberty, I am comfortable with my wisdom. I believe this is the spiritual message of God, and I am fine where I am, and have done my VERY best at sharing my journey, my insight, and my apologies. If this is not enough, I cannot do more right now. If you feel that you do enough, I will no longer contest that you are. I am finished with all of this, I have made my statements, I have resolved my experiences and wisdom, and I am moving on.

What is love to you thread comes to mind.

[blackswan]

I thought "initiation" was to gain wisdom/knowledge...

[mskied]

there is no good. all desire is flawed. there is only submission