Thelema

[mskied]

The God is Chaos, the Goddess is Chaos- they are one and the same. Within them are stationary points that move among one another and expand the kingdom of Chaos, an infinite journey of life and action.

[mskied]

The Demons are laughing at us. They are Lawful creatures. They come before God to prove that we do not know Good. And so, they lure us away with false desires, convincing us of a Good that is not True, and they laugh as we flail about trying to produce some Good that will never be acceptable to God or Man. The sad Truth is that they are actually proving that some Law is unnecessary, that it might slow our progress towards invention. And so, these Demons may actually fall to the idea of Chaos, and promote it, not because they want to humiliate Man, but because they think it actually does invent Good. One of the questions they ask is "Will Man do what they want regardless of Wisdom? Will Man be able to know the Good? Will Man use their strength to enforce it, or will they choose to be gentle while we instill the fire of rebellion. How long before Man must use force?" all of these things are being put upon us as we fumble our way through this world of effort and reward, and we fall to this. All around us are the fallen, and the ones that were either never tested, or passed their trial. For those of us that fell and keep falling, we have to prove that this has a value, but what do we invent with our rebellion? Certainly some Good must come, but at what cost?

[mskied]

Some of Man are simply born to lose, and some are born to win. Apparently the Gods cant even figure out what is Good, and so... why should we know? To think that there is justice in this system, or to hold ourselves up to that standard is a difficult pill to swallow. Certainly at a point in life, we have to decide right from wrong, and hopefully there is still time to live a Good life, but if the Gods dont even know what that is, why should we? The bottom line is that money is freedom, and freedom is creativity, and creativity is what we desire to employ in our lives to imagine the best life for ourselves. It is Good when we are not questioned; when we get what we desire. It is Good when we have people listening and respecting us. It is Good to be safe financially, and to be doing work that provides me with a satisfying sense of contribution or creation. These Truths are absolute. Anything less, is a compromise to what is only sensible.

[mskied]

I had a dream last night that revealed to me why Love is not the Law, and nor is it the measure of things. If it were, then everyone that gets their Love rejected would be justified in exacting revenge, and we would have no choice in who we Love. Love is not the measure, it is freedom. Freedom to do what we need to do and earn what we need to earn, fairly. When trades are made on fair terms and both parties agree, there is no foul. When I allow you to go your way and it inhibits no one, I am just. When you block me from doing the same, it is unjust, and I can fight you. The Law is not Do What Thou Wilt- there is a line you can not cross. We cannot deprive people of things because they offend our sense of what a lover should be, it has to be ground on the terms of freedom. The Ten Commandments say bear no false witness. Witnessing can get muddied because personal feelings get in the way, or we might suspect with no evidence. This is tricky, to accuse, and that is why Christ advises against it. Christianity is all about tolerating injustice, and it is not the highest Truth- for you should not have to, but if you do not know what is just and unjust, this is good advice.

[blackswan]

Feb 15, 2019 12:57:42 GMT -6 mskied said:

I had a dream last night that revealed to me why Love is not the Law, and nor is it the measure of things. If it were, then everyone that gets their Love rejected would be justified in exacting revenge, and we would have no choice in who we Love. Love is not the measure, it is freedom. Freedom to do what we need to do and earn what we need to earn, fairly. When trades are made on fair terms and both parties agree, there is no foul. When I allow you to go your way and it inhibits no one, I am just. When you block me from doing the same, it is unjust, and I can fight you. The Law is not Do What Thou Wilt- there is a line you can not cross. We cannot deprive people of things because they offend our sense of what a lover should be, it has to be ground on the terms of freedom. The Ten Commandments say bear no false witness. Witnessing can get muddied because personal feelings get in the way, or we might suspect with no evidence. This is tricky, to accuse, and that is why Christ advises against it. Christianity is all about tolerating injustice, and it is not the highest Truth- for you should not have to, but if you do not know what is just and unjust, this is good advice.

    Love is the highest vibration!!  Exacting revenge, has nothing to do with love, but with "ego". Do what thou wilt has nothing to do with consciously doing things to hurt others...but more about  being oneself,  acceptance, forgiveness...


   Crossing lines...What a lover "should be" = putting conditions on love...when one says, "I will only love you if" that is a condition...unconditional love, is love in spite of, have you..the good, the bad, the ugly...lol...unconditional love, is NOT, 
   worship, adoration, infatuation, lust etc.  it is loving someone through all of the bullshit, and their transgressions...

[mskied]

I mean to say that should I be given Love but do not want it, that I am making my own Will (freedom to choose) take precedence over Love- meaning, that just because you give me Love, doesnt mean that I have to honor it- therefore Love is not the Law. It might be that the idea is that you need to Love unconditionally, but that is not True. It is rare even for parents to do this. And, what is Love? How do you act in light of it? What is Loving Kindness? Is Love so many faceted that all action comes from it? If Love is kindness, then we offend her often. Love is not the Law, though the Gods might wish it were, and I dont think the Gods give unconditional Love to all people, for it would appear that we all get some end that is not perfect in light of Love; it is done based upon our deeds. I dont think we all get the same Heaven, and... what would it be? Would we all Love it? If Love is the Law, then there is one Good Love, but that is not so. I interpret this idea to mean that what you desire is Law, and you will do What You wilt to get at it. That is Love under Will. LOVE; kindness, generosity, gentle concern and willingness to aid- is not the Law. The Truth is that people will Love who they want, when and how they want- and Crowley says so. GOD might LOVE each of us, but He does not treat us all the same, and we do not all receive the best Heaven (or so it would seem) I could be wrong, but all the Wisdom would agree with this. Even Christianity- which claims unconditional Love, has a Hell.

[mskied]

Do What Thou Wilt will create Good and Evil; Beauty and ugliness. The fact that it can create something ugly is why we should alter this message of strength. We want diversity and beauty, and not dictators and totalitarians that stamp out opposition and force warfare. These things are ugly, and cause nothing but death and defeat, and small victory for the absolute strong- who cannot be relied upon to be Good. Hitler is a perfect example of why this is a bad Truth. Its True that the strong will get to choose, but without a measure of Good, this provides for great Evil.

[mskied]

Animals hunt other animals but they do not hunt each other. The leader has privilege, but when it leads the pack to ruin, it is demoted. This type of Law is not provisional of supporting Good- it supports the Good of the individual as a strong Man that wants their Will done- at any price- and no regards to the pack. You may say that Man wears many faces, but we are still one species, and should not hunt one another, for even animals know this is a bad decision. I appreciate the freedom to create and investigate and invent, but it in this form, it is too lawless. Those of us that are kind and Good will not want to raise our weapons, even against injustice, and one of the problems with this Law is that the strong have stripped us of even knowing what justice is- and so we are enfeebled because we no long know our rights and what we should hold our leaders accountable to. This is not Good. It stifles diversity and promotes totalitarianism, and that stifles invention in the end, not encouraging it. This Thelema needs to be restructured. This needs to be restructured to be the strength of the argument, and not the strength of the arm or the weapon.

[mskied]

Anything other than Love is Evil.

[mskied]

America is rich in imagination, and science, and many great advances. This Law of Liberty has produced much wealth, but what we are poor of, is Love. We are free to leave you to die. We are free to have romantic and sexual encounters with you, and abandon you regardless of your feelings for me. Worse still, we create life and kill it because it is in the way of this freedom.

[blackswan]

Feb 21, 2019 3:41:42 GMT -6 mskied said:

I mean to say that should I be given Love but do not want it, that I am making my own Will (freedom to choose) take precedence over Love- meaning, that just because you give me Love, doesnt mean that I have to honor it- therefore Love is not the Law. It might be that the idea is that you need to Love unconditionally, but that is not True. It is rare even for parents to do this. And, what is Love? How do you act in light of it? What is Loving Kindness? Is Love so many faceted that all action comes from it? If Love is kindness, then we offend her often. Love is not the Law, though the Gods might wish it were, and I dont think the Gods give unconditional Love to all people, for it would appear that we all get some end that is not perfect in light of Love; it is done based upon our deeds. I dont think we all get the same Heaven, and... what would it be? Would we all Love it? If Love is the Law, then there is one Good Love, but that is not so. I interpret this idea to mean that what you desire is Law, and you will do What You wilt to get at it. That is Love under Will. LOVE; kindness, generosity, gentle concern and willingness to aid- is not the Law. The Truth is that people will Love who they want, when and how they want- and Crowley says so. GOD might LOVE each of us, but He does not treat us all the same, and we do not all receive the best Heaven (or so it would seem) I could be wrong, but all the Wisdom would agree with this. Even Christianity- which claims unconditional Love, has a Hell.

  Uh??? Just saying when we love unconditionally, (ourselves and others) or just give love freely, (doesn't matter if someone returns it or not) our vibrations are at the highest frequencies..allowing us to attract all that is good..peace, love, clarity, creativity...the key to abundance in all things good   Only few have truly mastered this, and have ascended to the highest plane...example Jesus.  Unfortunately, most of us posses both lower and higher vibrations (dark/light) (polarity)  so while we have our highs, and can be in that plane of light have you, we also have our lows and can sometimes be lost in the dark..where we attract things like fear, anger, hatred, ego, etc...all things not so good.  We make our own Heaven in my opinion..Is it God who doesn't treat us all the same?,  or US that don't treat others all the same???  We all have the power to possess heaven or hell...wouldn't you say???  

[mskied]

[mskied]

I am a modern mystic, a Man that has no allegiance to any God, but was chosen by a God to examine the Tree of Life. This is the God of potential. I am backed by the Mother of Strength, whos power can easily be used for corrupt actions. I have declared my Love for the God of Mercy, but they know me not. I have seen the value of both sides, and I have listened to them argue over the Law of Man, and I have decided to settle this dispute by declaring my own observation. Do not obstruct, and do not allow to be obstructed. So long as a Man is not interfering with your health and wealth, there is no foul. When two come together, there will be contest, and so, be shrewd. Know your worth, and remember: Love isnt free. Honor those that honor you, and defend your health and wealth as they will theirs. Work together to build us strong, and remember that in this wild and willful world, there will be need for mercy on those that fall short, for in all people, there is the potential for greatness- we do not know what they might bring to us.

[mskied]

I tell you what, Magick and religion and philosophy is straight up brainwashing. The real Truth is that we are wandering monkeys that somehow got the ability to communicate more than our ancestors, and can use our pose able thumbs to build things. Do we know why or where that came from? No. Can we see that there is "something"? Yes. Do we know what it is for certain? No. We convince ourselves, and dangerously so, that we can understand these things. The sad Truth of it is that these systems possess real knowledge, and while it is brainwashing, it actually works! We can start to see the reality behind philosophy once we start to use it. Will we all agree one day? That is a hope, but.... theres 7 billion of us, so... lets get real!