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Post by Belteshazzar on Jul 5, 2021 8:32:52 GMT -6
Exposing kids to this borderline pedophilia imo. Sick and twisted. 
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Post by ashima on Jul 17, 2021 10:27:49 GMT -6
Smh, people think that's ok? In front of children? Children should see such? That's not PG, PG-13 or G Definitely not for children
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Post by mskied on Jul 17, 2021 13:57:48 GMT -6
You think that because I am not practicing Jewish borne faith that I am a heathen. You think that because I am gay that I am a pervert. You think that yours is the only interpretation of God. They call this bigotry, and it means you dont approve of me. You arent "fine" with gays, you tolerate them, and yet you vote against their lifestyle and the life choices of others, thats not tolerance, thats oppression. The laws of our government are what we live by, and you have to abide by them. The Bible says you are not to live by them, but you cannot prevent them. I find it offensive to hear you say anyone is anti God. I have done nothing but pursue God for my whole life, and I have my own interpretation of God, and it is just as valid as yours. I dont need a holy book or a temple to know God, and neither does anyone else. I agree with a many things in religion, but I do not agree with a lot of things. I am tolerant of it but I will not tolerate being called a pervert or a heathen or a blasphemer or a sinner. God is love, and cutting people off from the joys of life, from loving others, is a sin in my book. mskied, so many misguided accusations, where do I even begin? It's so easy to spout off short, attacking accusations, so tedious to give the required long-winded replies... I'm confused about your Jewish comment...do you mean not practicing an Abrahamic religion? Anyway, I don't look at you and think "heathen." I look at you and think "child of God." Like everyone else. I've always felt this way about people but as I grow older and experience more in life, I find myself feeling this way about people more and more...also, I don't see people as their sexuality first - unlike the LGBTQIA+ brown shirts. I see them as people first - children of God first - and other characteristics following. I don't think you are a pervert because you are gay. I see being gay and being perverted, (by the modern understanding of it) as two different things. Just like being straight and perverted are two different things. While I don't think same sex relations is conducive to the best of outcomes, and I can understand it being called "perversion" in the very old sense of the word, I also think it's entirely human. Which means a lot. Uhm, no I dont think mine, on face value, is the only interpretation of God. Obvs. there are a zillion other interpretations. Which is right, tho? Or more right? I'm a black sheep within my own religion, to an extent...there is lock-step mental/spiritual bondage even amongst the people who I believe belong to God's one and only standard bearing Church - because that's how people are. I make a point to study and learn about other spiritual beliefs because I find additional light and understanding in them. Because even though I believe my religion's teachings and ordinances are required for ultimate salvation - I believe God has given light to all peoples in all times, and that the perspectives they have give much greater context, depth and understanding to the nature of God than is found in just the mere, essential basics. How's that for being bigoted? You might as well call anyone who has a belief in something "bigoted" simply because their belief excludes, by nature, other beliefs. I'm "fine" with gays because I see them as people before I see them as homosexuals. I see the whole person, not just their sexual orientation. I think it's an abomination to boil a person down to their sexual orientation and then make that out to be their main, defining characteristic as a human being. People are so much more. Which is why I accept them as human beings and fellow children of God. Loving, accepting and caring for people does not exclude voting against practices that I disagree with and that I think are bad for them and society. Surely you're intelligent enough to see that? Find offense in what I say if you like. But scripture is pretty clear on the matter and there is no way a bunch of people parading down public streets wearing g-strings, cross-dressing, and bondage outfits is representative of God. It is anti-God. Unless your idea of God is something totally different from the Abrahamic faith of billions of people. Needing a temple or book to know God....well, seeing as I don't build God in my own image or in the image of the world, but instead listen to Him and let Him define His own Self and how to know Him, I'll let Him tell me what I need to know Him instead of presumptuously and self-servingly deciding for myself. Because that's what people who worship a real God do. This whole rebuttle is riddled with double talk, I dont even know where to begin, so I wont
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Post by ashima on Jul 18, 2021 15:16:07 GMT -6
Not offended, just surprised I'd ever see a disco light and a rocking Amish horsebuggy ๐
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Post by Belteshazzar on Jul 19, 2021 6:18:59 GMT -6
mskied, so many misguided accusations, where do I even begin? It's so easy to spout off short, attacking accusations, so tedious to give the required long-winded replies... I'm confused about your Jewish comment...do you mean not practicing an Abrahamic religion? Anyway, I don't look at you and think "heathen." I look at you and think "child of God." Like everyone else. I've always felt this way about people but as I grow older and experience more in life, I find myself feeling this way about people more and more...also, I don't see people as their sexuality first - unlike the LGBTQIA+ brown shirts. I see them as people first - children of God first - and other characteristics following. I don't think you are a pervert because you are gay. I see being gay and being perverted, (by the modern understanding of it) as two different things. Just like being straight and perverted are two different things. While I don't think same sex relations is conducive to the best of outcomes, and I can understand it being called "perversion" in the very old sense of the word, I also think it's entirely human. Which means a lot. Uhm, no I dont think mine, on face value, is the only interpretation of God. Obvs. there are a zillion other interpretations. Which is right, tho? Or more right? I'm a black sheep within my own religion, to an extent...there is lock-step mental/spiritual bondage even amongst the people who I believe belong to God's one and only standard bearing Church - because that's how people are. I make a point to study and learn about other spiritual beliefs because I find additional light and understanding in them. Because even though I believe my religion's teachings and ordinances are required for ultimate salvation - I believe God has given light to all peoples in all times, and that the perspectives they have give much greater context, depth and understanding to the nature of God than is found in just the mere, essential basics. How's that for being bigoted? You might as well call anyone who has a belief in something "bigoted" simply because their belief excludes, by nature, other beliefs. I'm "fine" with gays because I see them as people before I see them as homosexuals. I see the whole person, not just their sexual orientation. I think it's an abomination to boil a person down to their sexual orientation and then make that out to be their main, defining characteristic as a human being. People are so much more. Which is why I accept them as human beings and fellow children of God. Loving, accepting and caring for people does not exclude voting against practices that I disagree with and that I think are bad for them and society. Surely you're intelligent enough to see that? Find offense in what I say if you like. But scripture is pretty clear on the matter and there is no way a bunch of people parading down public streets wearing g-strings, cross-dressing, and bondage outfits is representative of God. It is anti-God. Unless your idea of God is something totally different from the Abrahamic faith of billions of people. Needing a temple or book to know God....well, seeing as I don't build God in my own image or in the image of the world, but instead listen to Him and let Him define His own Self and how to know Him, I'll let Him tell me what I need to know Him instead of presumptuously and self-servingly deciding for myself. Because that's what people who worship a real God do. This whole rebuttle is riddled with double talk, I dont even know where to begin, so I wont That's too bad, because I really don't know what you mean, and I try hard to be objective and logical, so if you see double talk, I'd really like to know. I know it's a pain in the butt, but I'd appreciate at least hearing you try. Even if I don't agree with it and end up retorting against that, too.
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Post by mskied on Jul 29, 2021 23:06:01 GMT -6
Whether people like it or not, theres a new morality, a new righteousness. It involves freedom, doing no harm, and helping people. The bible is fading away.
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Post by Belteshazzar on Aug 2, 2021 9:10:05 GMT -6
Whether people like it or not, theres a new morality, a new righteousness. It involves freedom, doing no harm, and helping people. The bible is fading away. Meh, I mean...you're not wrong. But then the Bible basically foretells as much, too. We know how the story rolls out. In the end, Jesus comes back. The word of God either is what it is, or isn't. And the word of God never really fades away.
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Post by Belteshazzar on Aug 2, 2021 9:12:19 GMT -6
Not offended, just surprised I'd ever see a disco light and a rocking Amish horsebuggy ๐ haha, awesome.
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