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Post by ashima on Mar 23, 2022 5:07:23 GMT -6
Good vs. Evil.
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Post by Dorian on Mar 30, 2022 12:07:52 GMT -6
I do feel there are many layers to this conflict, some of them invisible to most. And although Ukraine isn't an innocent in every way, I do think there is a larger battle of freedom vs. oppression, i.e., good vs. evil going on here.
That being said, the West is pretty wicked in its own ways and Russia, for as bad as it is, has at least been a bulwark against it. I'd like to see it continue to be so, but just learn to respect freedom and sovereignty and rid itself of corruption.
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Post by ashima on Mar 31, 2022 4:46:01 GMT -6
Perhaps this is all a part of draining the swamp. A lot has been exposed and I'm sure more's to come.
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Post by Odin on Mar 31, 2022 12:22:22 GMT -6
No doubt the swamp encompasses the whole world, not just DC and the United States.
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Post by mskied on Apr 13, 2022 11:22:02 GMT -6
I dont know why this is so shocking, we did the same thing to Iraq and Afghanistan
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Post by mskied on Apr 13, 2022 11:41:46 GMT -6
Korea and Vietnam too
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Post by ashima on Apr 19, 2022 4:42:10 GMT -6
It's odd how people want the USA to help, but yet here the USA is constantly putting their destruction into other countries. Talk about creating chaos and confusion for people. Control through propaganda, obama approved.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2022 9:30:06 GMT -6
Are the Russian soldiers monsters? The answer is no, it is human nature that is intrinsically evil. Strip away the thin veneer of civilization and what would you get? What do you suppose would happen in your neighborhood if suddenly there were no police, no courts, no prisons, no laws to protect you?
Ukraine is just an example of what we truly are as a species. Yes, we can rise above our baser instincts, but it always takes so much time to do good, while evil is instantaneous.
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Post by Odin on Apr 25, 2022 9:39:17 GMT -6
Are the Russian soldiers monsters? The answer is no, it is human nature that is intrinsically evil. Strip away the thin veneer of civilization and what would you get? What do you suppose would happen in your neighborhood if suddenly there were no police, no courts, no prisons, no laws to protect you? Ukraine is just an example of what we truly are as a species. Yes, we can rise above our baser instincts, but it always takes so much time to do good, while evil is instantaneous. First, welcome to the board! And I totally agree with this. Reminds me of some of the police ride-alongs I've been on, due to my job. I got to see up close and personal some scary stuff. It's a thin blue line of "law enforcement" that is the only thing between some kind of halfway civilized society and utter chaos. I don't agree with the Russian invasion. Strongly against it, though I do understand where their viewpoint is coming from. My wife is Russian. I know people on both sides. I know people who have fled Mariupol. But in the passage of time and with the perspective of history, the atrocities of this war may very well be looked upon just like any other.
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Post by ashima on Apr 26, 2022 4:21:40 GMT -6
So much money continously sent to Ukraine. What's it for? Detailed report with receipts of where the money goes would be nice to see. Also, weapons tracking is a failure and the government admitted they may end up in the wrong hands. Wow, what great security! Whole bag of mess. I'm suspicious of it all.
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Post by Odin on Apr 26, 2022 9:34:38 GMT -6
So much money continously sent to Ukraine. What's it for? Detailed report with receipts of where the money goes would be nice to see. Also, weapons tracking is a failure and the government admitted they may end up in the wrong hands. Wow, what great security! Whole bag of mess. I'm suspicious of it all. I don't blame you for being suspicious, based on our track record. I heard from someone in the military that we don't just have a bunch of spare weapons laying around in surplus that are being sent to Ukraine. We're actually sending them OUR stuff. In other words, what we send leaves our own troops in lacking. That was something I didn't realize. Which means we better get on replenishing our supply, pronto. I'm all for keeping ze Russians at bay. Despite what some people claim, there are some nuances in this war and it is more complicated on some specific issues than just black and white, good and evil - BUT - what IS black and white is that Ukraine has a right to defend itself and that Russia is largely representing ideas of authoritarianism and oppression, which need to be repelled. In fact, I consider it vital for the well-being of the rest of the world that they are.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2022 9:43:13 GMT -6
Sending weapons and ammo to Ukraine is a positive. For every day that this war drags on Russia's military machine is being degraded. Oddly enough most of the spare parts that the Russian military used for their tanks and aircraft used to come from Ukraine.
That big steel plant in Mariupol used to make steel for Russian tanks and APC's. The world has cut Russia off from spare parts and they cannot replenish what they have lost on the battlefield while thanks to us, Ukraine's military just keeps on getting stronger.
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Post by Belteshazzar on Apr 26, 2022 11:48:18 GMT -6
Sending weapons and ammo to Ukraine is a positive. For every day that this war drags on Russia's military machine is being degraded. Oddly enough most of the spare parts that the Russian military used for their tanks and aircraft used to come from Ukraine. That big steel plant in Mariupol used to make steel for Russian tanks and APC's. The world has cut Russia off from spare parts and they cannot replenish what they have lost on the battlefield while thanks to us, Ukraine's military just keeps on getting stronger. Yeah, Russia really can't keep up with the West's influx of weapons and technology that actually works. I hear Ukraine is also counter-attacking in some areas, and successfully. I've also heard that some analysts are saying Russia's got about 2 or so weeks to start making progress in Donbass before they start really running out of supplies and that the stalemate could even turn into a Ukraine making huge gains on the offensive. Which is cool - except it raises the horrible possibility of Russia deciding to use tactical nukes. And where that may lead the world...
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Post by ashima on Apr 27, 2022 14:41:38 GMT -6
The world cutting Russia off. Makes you think the powers that be that are doing such are up to some no good self serving interest. Something is off with all of it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2022 20:50:36 GMT -6
Are the Russian soldiers monsters? The answer is no, it is human nature that is intrinsically evil. Strip away the thin veneer of civilization and what would you get? What do you suppose would happen in your neighborhood if suddenly there were no police, no courts, no prisons, no laws to protect you? Ukraine is just an example of what we truly are as a species. Yes, we can rise above our baser instincts, but it always takes so much time to do good, while evil is instantaneous. Salve Vergil Vampyre, let me support your statement with some good quotes by the Jewish German philosopher Hannah Arendt: "The sad truth is that most evil is done by people who never make up their minds to be good or evil.[...] Evil comes from a failure to think. It defies thought for as soon as thought tries to engage itself with evil and examine the premises and principles from which it originates, it is frustrated because it finds nothing there. That is the banality of evil. [...] For when I speak of the banality of evil, I do so only on the strictly factual level, pointing to a phenomenon which stared one in the face at the trial. Eichmann was not Iago and not Macbeth, and nothing would have been farther from his mind than to determine with Richard III 'to prove a villain.' Except for an extraordinary diligence in looking out for his personal advancement, he had no motives at all… He merely, to put the matter colloquially, never realized what he was doing… It was sheer thoughtlessness—something by no means identical with stupidity—that predisposed him to become one of the greatest criminals of that period. And if this is 'banal' and even funny, if with the best will in the world one cannot extract any diabolical or demonic profundity from Eichmann, this is still far from calling it commonplace… That such remoteness from reality and such thoughtlessness can wreak more havoc than all the evil instincts taken together which, perhaps, are inherent in man—that was, in fact, the lesson one could learn in Jerusalem." May I ask why you chose Vergil over Dante? 🤔
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