ISIS

[shadowmaker]

saw a news article on yahoo about a warning for the USA of ISIS followers possibly planning an attack like they did in Canada.

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An attack IN the USA???

[shadowmaker]

abcnews.go.com/International/isis-threat-home-fbi-warns-us-military-social/story?id=27270662
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ot the exact article I read, but pretty much the same

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Thanks for the link Shadow

[Belteshazzar]

so have you guys heard about how ISIS is wanting to invade Italy and conquer Rome via Libya?

It's like something out of Nostradamus.

They're perfectly capable of doing it, too. Italy's military is very small and under-funded. There are tons are Muslim migrants in the country, and they also come over by ship daily, illegally. ISIS is probably already in the country just waiting for the word. There are armed Muslim smugglers who have taken on the Italian coast guard as well, and won. With enough fighters, it's feasible that they could establish a beach head, bring in some tanks and armored vehicles, rally and sack Rome. There's even talk about an air attack by ISIS, though I'm not sure what the details are. Presumably, there may be some fighter pilots involved who know what they're doing enough to fly some military jets.

My brother lives in Austria, right next to Italy. If they attack Italy, there's nothing that would stop them from going as far as Austria. All I know is, the second ISIS starts any sort of attack in Italy, I hope my brother and his family decide to take a little vacation and visit us over here in the USA, so they can wait and see how things turn out.

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Not heard of that but that is crazy...I remember that movie The Man Who Saw Tomorrow...

Have you spoken with your brother??? I do hope if there is any kind of attack, your brother and his family will in fact come to visit you here in the USA...keep us posted!!!

[violet]

a lot of the news media about ISIS/ISIL is just scare-mongering, I doubt they would want to take Rome/Italy unless there are massive oil/gas reserves there

this explains a lot of the issues behind what is going on:  climate change is FAR more scarier than terrorism, but stopping climate change means less $$ for the corporations/oil despots   - but terrorism helps them get more oil...


Summary - Syria has had massive drought due to climate change, which causes hunger/desperation and those people join ISIS as a way to hold onto whatever is left of their country. AND they are using weapons paid for by US tax-payers... www.alternet.org/world/how-isis-ended-stocked-american-weapons

A solution could be to use their oil billions to create a liveable wage to the millions of Syrians to create farms, schools, wind turbines etc, but WAIT...that won't make them rich...!

[Belteshazzar]

Well, I disagree about the scare-mongering part. If anything, I don't think ISIS has been taken seriously enough. I really think Al-Qaeda is small potatoes compared to ISIS. Even the Taliban. The Taliban was an extremist regime, but they were consolidated to Afghanistan. ISIS is international. The fact that ISIS controls land in and outside of Iraq, including Syria and now Libya, has access to heavy military equipment and vehicles, has (last I heard) over 100,000 able and ready loyalists ready to fight, many of which are already battle-hardened and are more than willing to die for this, the fact that they are also Sunnis, which is the largest Islamic faction, and the fact that we now have other terrorist groups like Boko Haram in Africa swearing loyalty to ISIS...I think we potentially have a real problem on our hands.

Climate change is a serious subject, and surely if all the apocalyptic things predicted by some happen, it would be catastrophic - but there's so much debate about what could or would happen. I, myself, am not convinced that the ice-caps are going to melt. Not due to man-made or natural global warming. From the data I've read, it seems questionable as to whether or not global warming is happening at all. The data seems all over the place. I'm open to your arguments though. And I admit, it's not a topic I've passionately investigated through and through from all angles. I've seen a lot of back and forth though, between the two opposing sides of it. One side says it's warming, another points to arctic ice being the largest it's been in a long time, the other side says that's just an anomaly...one side points to the cold temperatures and snow, global warming people say it's just the increased moisture in the air from global warming, but that doesnt make sense to me because you have to have widespread cold temperatures all the same for that much snow to occur....it just seems to me like no one really knows what's going on, and it's such a highly politicized issue as well. But I think the main reason people join ISIS isn't so much hunger or climate change, although I'll give you that maybe those things contribute - but simply radical elements that have existed all along, which dictators like Saddam and Assad knew how to keep in check with their own brutal methods, but now that the middle east has been shaken up, those elements are unchecked.

I agree with your point about them using our own weapons. The military-industrial complex is out of control. I'm all for developing weapons with cutting edge technology and letting the right people have access to them, but they, in collusion with our own government, have been very reckless. The military-industrial complex is a huge economic engine for my city, and I see the benefits of it here and abroad, but a lot of the people involved seem to not care at all about how they make their money or who they are selling weapons to. It's pretty irresponsible.

Here's the article that informed me, originally, about the Italy scenario, although HuffPost and others have reported on it too.

www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/17/italy-fears-isis-invasion-from-libya.html

[violet]

Well, 5 million people dying a year from heat exhaustion, flooding and pollution (related to climate change) is a bit more of a threat than 26 US people in TEN YEARS dying at the hands of ISIS.  Just because the mainstream media doesn't report these things, doesn't mean it's not happening.   Climate change (not global warming) means more heat, and the heat is trapped and this causes more extreme weather events. 

The media highlights the terror of ISIS, because it supports their goals (eg. Rupert Murdoch owns Fox News and other media, and also owns oil reserves in Iraq...how coincidental)
If you look at what happened in France after the Paris attacks, this is what could happen to the rest of the world after attacks elsewhere - more police, more surveillance....hello 1984

I don't think a military industry should be an economic engine for any place, and I think wherever weapons are made, they end up in the wrong hands no matter what. And I also believe if people are given the right standards of living (not living in poverty, or being suppressed) they wouldn't turn to such drastic measures of using weapons that have been given to them. But the big oil and military corps want control...

[Belteshazzar]

Wait, so climate change is more than just a semantic change in terminology? It's actually different from the theory of global warming, ice caps melting, seas rising and reshaping entire continents and all of that?

I see your point about 5 million dying vs. the number that have died at the hands of ISIS (all together, it's been a lot more than 26 though....I don't think in terms of what nationality they are). My only hold up with that comparison though is that it seems like, in general, people tend to get used to and accept hunger and poor living conditions, and will more willingly die at the hands of "natural causes" as opposed to actual violent revolution like ISIS. But that's not to discredit your point about those things still being a palpable force for violent, and even extremist revolution.

I agree that the media has a certain set of goals and that Rupert Murdoch and others are behind a lot of that. I think all big media around the world has lost much of its journalistic integrity and is basically propped up by the interests of their leaders and financial backers. It's one reason why I've switched to watching RT a lot, and have largely turned off Fox News and CNN, but even RT has their own agenda, which is obvious. So you just have to compare and contrast the big sources and also look at the smaller sources. It seems like that's the best we can do.

And yeah, I agree we're well on our way to more and more police/state surveillance. And here in the USA, the police are becoming increasingly militarized, which is rather alarming.

I think I understand your view about the military industry not being an over-all positive as an economic engine. I can understand how easy it is for money to corrupt and weapons to get in the wrong hands. But on the other hand, we live in a very imperfect world and sometimes diplomatic or economic deterrence isn't enough. "Peace through strength" becomes the most credible deterrent. For example, in Europe, you have people who are afraid of Russia going on a re-conquest, in Asia, you have people who are afraid of China going on a conquest, and in the Middle East, it's just a complete mess. Regardless of whether or not those fears are completely legitimate, and regardless of how much diplomatic/economic sanctions may or may not work, the confidence of being able to defend yourself and give any invader serious harm, if not total destruction, is a powerful defense. Not everyone's motivations to attack others are about poverty or political suppression - sometimes it's just the lust for nationalistic glory and riches, people in charge who don't care about how many people die, but who want to build up their own treasure-pile and play at war.

[violet]

Not everyone's motivations to attack others are about poverty or political suppression - sometimes it's just the lust for nationalistic glory and riches, people in charge who don't care about how many people die, but who want to build up their own treasure-pile and play at war.

this is very true - and yes we do live in an imperfect world, but it is very much a media-controlled world - good plan to compare and contrast the big news sources with the small ones. Al Jazeera also has some pretty insightful stories -eg. on the ground in Syria, visiting towns and communities affected - some pretty disturbing footage there though...

[Belteshazzar]

Most news sources I come across seem to have an anti-Israeli/pro-Palestinian viewpoint. The only exception I can think of might be Fox News or The Blaze, which is specifically a conservative news source. Al-Jazeera, RT, and even CNN seem to be pro-Palestinian, generally speaking. But I still think they're good news sources over-all, and again, you just have to look at both sides and get the truth where you can. Fox News might be all about Palestinian terrorists and not show the human side of the problem with all the civilian casualties, the poor kids that grow up in that terrible environment and end up learning to hate Israelis for more reasons than religion. RT had a really good documentary about some kids growing up in Palestine. Absolutely heart-breaking.

[Belteshazzar]

So, ISIS claims to be in the US now and is naming targets. No surprise, really, but the fact that no one seems like they want to do anything about it is sort of astonishing.

www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/05/isis-posts-warning-we-have-71-trained-soldiers-in-15-states-names-5-targets/

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That is sort of scary...wonder if it is true or are they just a scare tactic...just something else to keep an eye out for, along with the gangbangers...



This last part is ironic isn't it...

"May Allah send His peace and blessings upon our Prophet Muhummad and all those who follow until the last Day."


Amazes me how those who kill in the name of God can speak of peace and blessings

[violet]

May 6, 2015 0:10:15 GMT -6 Belteshazzar said:

So, ISIS claims to be in the US now and is naming targets. No surprise, really, but the fact that no one seems like they want to do anything about it is sort of astonishing.

www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/05/isis-posts-warning-we-have-71-trained-soldiers-in-15-states-names-5-targets/

It seems anyone could post anything (text, images) on that justpasteit site - including someone trying to stir up fear...

also the gateway pundit site has links to 'Progressives Today' which calls the protesters trying to stop drilling in the Arctic 'wacked out hippies' - for protesting against something causing devastation (oil spills) and disasterous climate effects? Extremely judgemental...