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Post by saintrenee on Dec 2, 2011 6:28:36 GMT -6
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Post by saintrenee on Dec 2, 2011 6:29:13 GMT -6
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Post by queenofmysoul on Dec 2, 2011 6:50:50 GMT -6
^ are you suggesting that those involved are to blame as much as those they are attempting to contest because of their mind set? To blame? Not at all. Maybe it is a great move for the people being there, voicing what they feel not right in our world. It is something really valuable to express our desires of change. I try to "understand" the process. Pouring the light on our self prison with discernment and compassion. I didn't follow the recent news about the movement in United States, more in my country. In rebellion, most of the time, we find truth. Yet not necessarily the truth seen at the surface. The light here, in this thread, is made on the similar way used by the contesters than by those contested. As if it is nothing new. If the light was put on the most important, including by the contesters themselves, they would integrate their understanding in their lives, changing their way of living. I believe it is really in this way we may change things we don't like. Consciously choosing to have not them in our lives. A real activist. Being who we desire to be. Who is corresponding our deep values. I tend to believe by this occasion many of the contesters will have accomplish a great step for themselves. We may even find at the first view, the movement will stop, letting behind few changes. It is not true. They already changed our world. And that is great. |
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Post by queenofmysoul on Dec 2, 2011 7:03:43 GMT -6
I find really touching people wanting to be really part of the society and not the important decisions for their lives being taken out of themselves. It is something really, really valuable. If this manifestation would have only made this, it was well worth. For the United States, what is said in this video by the participants is really a change. How it is feasible it is another thing. What is counting there is the expression of something different for them. |
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Post by queenofmysoul on Dec 2, 2011 7:15:11 GMT -6
I have enough confidence in people to be able growing. What was a new country then is became a country leading the world. Can we believe many persons were involved in that? So, they are able to be really part of the decisions to change this country which they are not recognizing themselves within. Do you believe there is only one way to express American values? These historical values have to be set in this time, with the maturity the country acquired. It would be a self failure if not. |
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Post by saintrenee on Dec 2, 2011 7:33:02 GMT -6
What that man in the first video was suggesting when he stated that there is no Hierarchy,were chosen words,why would he choose that word and at the exact time in which he is referring to a country?
I get what is going on concerning the move they are wanting to get at.There is not complete honesty with them selves in this dubbed "change"they are whining about. And yet some people are not fully aware of what is this "change"over to is really about because they do not read and research history.
You speak a lot about activist are you familiar with the "weatherman manifesto"?
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Post by queenofmysoul on Dec 2, 2011 7:34:38 GMT -6
Can we blame someone to not be where he isn't yet?
The only thing we can ask to everybody is to be in movement and I admire and cherish the movement, this will to grow.
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Post by saintrenee on Dec 2, 2011 7:41:28 GMT -6
Can we blame someone to not be where he isn't yet? The only thing we can ask to everybody is to be in movement and I admire and cherish the movement, this will to grow. again I'm asking you this:You speak a lot about activist are you familiar with the "weatherman manifesto"? |
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Post by queenofmysoul on Dec 2, 2011 8:03:08 GMT -6
What that man in the first video was suggesting when he stated that there is no Hierarchy,were chosen words,why would he choose that word and at the exact time in which he is referring to a country? I get what is going on concerning the move they are wanting to get at.There is not complete honesty with them selves in this dubbed "change"they are whining about. And yet some people are not fully aware of what is this "change"over to is really about because they do not read and research history. You speak a lot about activist are you familiar with the "weatherman manifesto"? I wasn't. notmytribe.com/solidarity/our-resources/weathermen-manifestoThat is good some don't let us forget the history and the lessons learnt and that we still learn from our past. That some have hidden or declared intents, it is sure. Certainly not the majority in United States and elsewhere too wanting a declaration of war and violence around the country. I'm speaking of something deeper and personal as activism, reaching the surface in our gestures. In light, seeking and questioning with discernment, and in love, with compassion for our fellow human beings in this research of self. You like the past, I like the future.  |
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Post by saintrenee on Dec 2, 2011 11:14:20 GMT -6
I like the past ???and YOU like the future???What kind of logic is that???
Everybody knows we learn from history.You may or may not understand at all,the individuals involved in the o.w.s "front" and their agenda.
Though, there are informed individuals who are aware of what exactly their agenda is,and who also disagree, with all given cause to be in opposition of them.
This front a.k.a O.W.S will never be the utopia in which those of you are ever so delusional in hoping for.
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Post by queenofmysoul on Dec 2, 2011 11:33:20 GMT -6
I like the past ???and YOU like the future???What kind of logic is that??? Everybody knows we learn from history.You may or may not understand at all,the individuals involved in the o.w.s "front" and their agenda. Though, there are informed individuals who are aware of what exactly their agenda is,and who also disagree, with all given cause to be in opposition of them. This front a.k.a O.W.S will never be the utopia in which those of you are ever so delusional in hoping for. I would have thought making you happy for recognizing your deep interest for history. Sorry if it doesn't. I appreciate a lot having someone giving me these reminders about our history. I find it is a very good aspect of your personality. It gives a really interesting angle to read our present and it adds alot to my perspective on things. I feel it like a complement of mine. I believe we have everyone a sight of utopia, what we bear in us and hope for the future. I don't assimilate my own aspirations to O.W.S people's ones first of all because I don't know them really and second because I don't believe there is only one set of aspirations shared by everyone. Though, if we seek, probably we would find the same base in all of them, same deep values. |
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Post by saintrenee on Dec 2, 2011 11:38:33 GMT -6
You know,using the word activism in which you have described seems more so to me on being simply a loving and caring individual,the way we all ought to be.
I guess it is not the meaning of what an activist usually stands for but,it would be a great thing if every activist would.
Have you seen the latest peta ad ?they made this picture after a person had experienced an attack from a shark in the ocean,I'm not certain if the individual had lost any limbs but I saw the peta add and it was of a shark attacking a human and the words read: "pay back is a bitch"
Now they are an activist society,of what?
I do not care for the peta activist not at all though glitter town certainly plays the phony to them,did you know also that 90% of the animal they "rescue" they euthanized them? peta like most activist are hypocrites.
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Post by saintrenee on Dec 2, 2011 11:46:08 GMT -6
Oh.I thought you thought i was dwelling in the past of that weatherman group when they are still of the present and yet they think they are underground,sort of secretly behind the scenes,a lot of individuals are secretly involved in this O.W.S "front".
I think if they openly came out and spoke their true agenda many will abandon them right away,and i think some ,not most but some, will of course choose to stay, because some believe there are two forces that oppose one another which are the victim and the oppressor.That is their entire mindset and out look concerning the republic.
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Post by queenofmysoul on Dec 2, 2011 11:54:10 GMT -6
I believe there is a lot of hypocrisy in our world, in politicians, in activists but in lovers and in friends also. It takes a lot of courage to see it and a lot more to accept facing it.
I bring the notion at the individual level because I believe it begins there.
It is really rare that question has an easy answer shared by everyone. When we are at this level for a subject, it is already integrated. The difficulty resides to be in the ring of fight to find an answer, doing it responsibly including love and light. Then we may have fists being used for good causes.
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Post by saintrenee on Dec 2, 2011 14:09:46 GMT -6
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I agree with you.I admire where your heart is.If only we all where in one accord at that level, we could really make leaps and bounds,together.
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