Occupy movement consist of ???

[queenofmysoul]

thinking at all that, I believe we may define our way to be activist.

I consider myself activist conversing with you because it helps to refine my actions. So it is a part of the activism, what I call a responsable reflexion seeking light for being more loving in actions.

I think it was always my intent in that.

[chrysanthemum]

First of all, I don't like what Occupy Atlanta did, not allowing that guy to speak, and I am not impressed by some of the people in the Occupy movement, those who are violent or just using the camps for their own purpose.
I have been visiting Occupy Wellington, which has had workshops, talks,
market days, discussions on democracy, discussions on issues that affect many people.
A lot of people don't understand what it is about, they see the media portrayal of a 'bunch of hippies who don't have jobs' which is a HUGE generalisation.

Dec 2, 2011 11:33:20 GMT -6 queenofmysoul said:

I believe we have everyone a sight of utopia, what we bear in us and hope for the future. I don't assimilate my own aspirations to O.W.S people's ones first of all because I don't know them really and second because I don't believe there is only one set of aspirations shared by everyone. Though, if we seek, probably we would find the same base in all of them, same deep values.

Yes, you can find the same base, everyone wants a fair and just society - simple as that! The means of achieving a fair and just society however, is complex, with the many issues that affect us.
This is part of the vision statement for Occupy Wellington as the issues that apply to New Zealand:

While we recognise that the situation in New Zealand is not identical to that in other countries, we are subject to, and contribute to, many of the same global problems.
· We are internationally recognised as the third most unequal society in the OECD, with an ever-widening gap between rich and poor. This year foreign-owned banks posted billion dollar profits and 151 individuals increased their wealth by $7 billion, while 200,000 children live in poverty.
· In the past 3 years, an unprecedented number of bills have passed under urgency, eliminating the opportunity for public debate while rushing through damaging changes in education, taxation, policing, copyright, and employment relations, to name a few.
· Deaf to the global call for climate action and blind to ongoing environmental catastrophes, our government seeks to open up our fossil fuel reserves to commercial speculation, mine our National Parks and drill for deep-sea oil.
· The cost of education continues to increase, while cuts in funding and resources further compromise its quality.
· Wages are not consistent with the increasing cost of living, meaning more people find it harder to make ends meet.
· This year five homes a day have been foreclosed because the owners can’t keep up with mortgage payments. The possibility of owning a home is getting further out of reach.

yes, 1 in 4 children live in poverty here (worse than in the USA)

I think there are many, many good ideas out there amongst the people of the Occupy movement, but they do need good leaders, good designers, and hard workers to make it happen. If people are passionate enough about their vision, they will work to make it happen, I believe.

[queenofmysoul]

It's good to read you chrysanthemum. Do you know the feeling I noted that I had reading you, as if it was fuel for my car ( even if the image isn't so good environmentally speaking )

In Occupy movement, it's good to see a new generation (even if it is from many of them) stand up. That's sure the issues are different from a country to another and in some of them really more important than in our privileged countries but in all, we have need for arms and mind and heart involved to change things. Here in my country, I heard some of them and sure they will continue to be active. For me, what is counting the most is every person on the earth feel responsible for the becoming of it all.

It doesn't make sense to have people dying for lacking water today in our world. Maybe if everyone accept to see it, the changes will arrive. Not necessarily immediately but changing our view on things, necessarily all the rest changes.

[queenofmysoul]

Other element your posts made me to ponder is where my involvement goes? I suggested in a similar thread on the SP's board to make a publication. I believe it could be interesting and I feel in me a spark thinking at it, yet I don't want to have a great responsibility and be let alone with it. Also, I don't want it doesn't correspond to my values. I don't want to have a hard time doing it. The break in me comes of something with I am not in confidence. As if the break takes all the place or at least comes before the interest and the vision of fun. On the other side, I have plenty of things to make where I'm more confident with the fun I will have doing it. So, it is natural. Even done with serious, the fun things to do come before. 

The involvement needs to contain fun, pleasure, friends. Principally when it needs a long term involvement. 

[saintrenee]

Seriously speaking,I don't even like the name of this "movement" nor do I care for the sneaky way it came about.

The many groups of individuals involved, financially, are not particularly in favor of the whole as in united we stand.

Besides the fact that this world will always remain in chaos unless all come in one accordance in God's Will.

[queenofmysoul]

Do you mean you don't like it because it is not implying action? Occupy being passive? I do agree the inactivity gives sadness. It gives the impression that we are not creating our lives. 

How every bodies may be the most creative? Let's ponder about it? 

[saintrenee]

The title Occupy is something troops do in war,they occupy an area of land or something.

In the idea of the naming it o.w.s, they seem to refer that wall street is responsible for world greed ? are there no other trade systems in the world besides the one in N.Y ?

Wouldn't someone who truly cared about the world as a whole have titled this idea in a sense of something more broad like with a sense of hope of brotherhood/sisterhood?

When I hear people talk in the U.S, in these occupy circles, I am reminded inwardly that they are not for the Republic we were given,they are not for this land as it was structured to be "One Nation Under God"and I am also reminded that other countries hold jealously in the hearts over America and want to see it brought low.

Each Nation ought to first do for themselves.If the movement was sincere it wouldn't be called wall street, which strangely, by the way, the movement wasn't even started in the U.S. but aimed at a economy,by whom and what's the real purpose?

I don't think the movement is true.And if people want to do better they should do better beginning with their own self in their own community and pass on good principles.Not an everything goes mentality.
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[queenofmysoul]

Occupy also means to take care, to live in a place, to have the responsibility of a post. In your view of brother and sisterhood, it applies everywhere and not only in our own country.

The movement is deep, making little moves at a time yet having strong influence.

[Odin]

I have some friends who are involved with the Occupy movement, or support it.

They're still my friends of course, but I really find the Occupy movement annoying. It's one thing to protest, it's another to decide to occupy public space and live on it and cause a public disturbance - and the constitution says nothing about that being a right. Interpreting that as freedom of speech is a stretch. In fact, this was recently brought before the city council in my city, due to a small Occupy movement taking residence on the courthouse square of my city. They were made to break their camp - but of course, still allowed to protest, so long as they weren't setting up camp there like a bunch of hobo's. I agree with this decision - it's only proper.

[chrysanthemum]

^^ what do you propose they do instead to enact change? Just protest marches? Are they even allowed to do that these days?

This blog explains a lot about what the protesters are doing - peaceful protests - and the terrible treatment of them by the police. It also explains one of the MAIN reasons for the movement - Citigroup CEO, and all those other CEOs who bought bad mortgages/securities and sold them, and thus crippled the economy due to so many people defaulting on their loans.

myoccupylaarrest.blogspot.com/

[queenofmysoul]

Occupy the place to change things not just complaining.

[chrysanthemum]

I don't see it as complaining, more as raising awareness so that other people know what is happening, for example, here there are banners near the Occupy camp about deep sea oil drilling, and I don't know if many people know about the oil leak off the ship that ran aground here, the oil slick killing much wildlife and contaminating the beaches/islands in that area. Also mining in conservation lands - very destructive. So here there are the conservation issues, as well as the economy issues. And people are doing things about it. There are lots of activities people are getting involved in, from the 'grassroots' so to speak, so that we can build strong local communities that are less affected by global recessions, and habitat destruction, etc.

[saintrenee]

have you all noticed that the "movement" does this interruption mic check ???If a politician is speaking somewhere the activists will fill the room as though they are there for the politician until his speech begins that is,then an activist will begin the interruption with saying "mic check" ,"mic check" until all attention is focused on the activist saying "mic check" ," mic check "in which the activist will begin reading from a pamphlet.Now when that activist is asked to leave another activist begins reading where that one stopped and so on and so on only after every word including mic check mic check the activist repeat each others sentences,out loud like a cult of activist???
They are very annoying and therefore not being taken seriously.It's as though their purpose is to agitate aggravate and annoy???
just saying....

[chrysanthemum]

LOL. I find the politicians more annoying. But I do think they should let the politicians have their speeches, and then speak to that. And the mic check is how they speak to a crowd without using a microphone/megaphone....just saying....

[saintrenee]

Yeah and,I'm not down with it.,just saying.