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Post by shadowmaker on Mar 18, 2016 10:36:06 GMT -6
Thing is, it happens everywhere, and I will say this again... not everyone on assistance is abusing it.
You should be frustrated by the abusers of it though, but maybe you don't mind seeing people manipulating the system to keep their fun work free thug image
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2016 7:59:49 GMT -6
honestly, I don't think people receiving welfare are abusers. A lot of work have been done to control the abuse where I live. And if it's the case, it's only from few people. I cannot speak for your country though. But, in my opinion, where people use this way to live, they have another kind of problem. Do you feel it is interesting this way of life? I don't think. So, maybe they need it after all.
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Post by shadowmaker on Mar 19, 2016 8:48:34 GMT -6
You may not get a understanding of something that you aren't seeing daily. Some do apply themselves to progress their life. Some collect, spend, and avoid jobs because hanging out, drinking, shopping/shoplifting is a lifestyle.
Of course you'd have to actually be around it to see it happening. I'm not the only seeing this. Every month when their money comes they are out and about buying new clothes, shoes, etc then when money is low the attitudes of people.chamge by mid month and theft is high.
I've worked in the same neighborhood for 15 years, I am not oblivious to the routine and bullshit people are on
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Post by shadowmaker on Mar 19, 2016 9:17:33 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2016 9:45:33 GMT -6
You may not get a understanding of something that you aren't seeing daily. Some do apply themselves to progress their life. Some collect, spend, and avoid jobs because hanging out, drinking, shopping/shoplifting is a lifestyle. Of course you'd have to actually be around it to see it happening. I'm not the only seeing this. Every month when their money comes they are out and about buying new clothes, shoes, etc then when money is low the attitudes of people.chamge by mid month and theft is high. I've worked in the same neighborhood for 15 years, I am not oblivious to the routine and bullshit people are on I see it. I didn't meant in this way. I believe that is more complicated than that. I meant in my country many efforts were done to contrôle the real abusers, defrauding with multiple identities for exemple . If someone is severely disabled and don't find job because it needs some adaptations it is not the same than someone having addiction for exemple. We have to find solutions for the multiple reasons to use welfare. And I believe also the cultural environment is important which is different amongst the different countries. So, it's why I didn't want go too deeper in your reality. I'm not enough at ease with all these parts. Yet, the rate of 4,1% seems very low. Probably, you have many people having no money at all. |
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Post by shadowmaker on Mar 19, 2016 9:53:31 GMT -6
People turn to crime for money, ironically the crime rates are up too
It's a lot more complex than just what a statistic says. Parents being addicts and having children, children being removed from the home, buying kids all sorts of stuff instead of conversations with them. It starts in the home with proper parenting and discipline. Discipline does not mean beat the ass. It involves not allowing your children to manipulate the parent.
Begin with saying No
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2016 10:11:57 GMT -6
The crime's rate is reducing in my country. Probably, you won't like what I'll say but it's also consequence to not deny the problems. Welfare users have reasons to use it. In my opinion, we have to give the basic security for every human being on the whole planet. No questions with that in my mind. It's the "after" the important thing. What do we do after to help every one recovering their autonomy?
You gave a part of the answer with the education.
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Post by shadowmaker on Mar 19, 2016 10:35:07 GMT -6
We all know there needs to be more jobs available as well.
Rent prices and food prices don't reflect the wages for people to do it themselves. Roommates are necessary more often than not.
Plenty of rentals don't allow for section 8 housing. Usually that type of assistance is allowed by apartments in shittier neighborhoods with drug trafficking/abusers, prostitution, gang members on the streets. I'm not far from that in my neighborhood and where I work.
My neighborhood isn't that great, but it's better than other parts.
Regardless, I still handle responsibilities with work, home, kids
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2016 10:59:19 GMT -6
As a person who is currently getting help from welfare type programs Ive been on the receiving end of the criticism of those on it. Ive also lived among those who receive it as well. I cant speak of what they endure in forms of being ill or disabled, but can speak for myself and say that my condition has made it extremely hard to work and at times, impossible. Ive seen others that appear to be fine yet they are on disability or welfare but then I ask myself "Who am I to judge, I am no doctor". I guess what I am saying is, that we put our faith in the medical professionals who made the decision that this person deserves help and move on, let the politicians and the social workers worry about their eligibility. Mskied, when I say abuse or fraud of the system, I am not speaking of those in your situation...I am speaking of those who are able bodied and can work and those who straight out fraud the system...I know 3 people personally who lie about their situations to receive aid...one guy makes over 30$ hr. his wife did not take his name in marriage, (Uses different name) so she can collect cash aid, benefits...another couple I know, he owns his own business yet they use two addresses claim the father does not live in the home, so mother gets aid...another guy I know of receiving ssdi, while working under the table and not reporting wages...he is in fact able to physically work but claims he is hurt... now if I know of 3 people personally, I am sure there are many more doing this...this is what needs to be cracked down on...why the State where I live, and most of the Country is going broke... I don't appreciate my taxes going up to support these types of people who should NOT be on aid...and it takes away from those who really do need it... |
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Post by shadowmaker on Mar 20, 2016 7:19:06 GMT -6
^^THIS
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Post by shadowmaker on Apr 12, 2016 22:10:34 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 10:16:59 GMT -6
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Post by shadowmaker on Apr 27, 2016 13:24:03 GMT -6
I see a problem when any type of violence occurs at a protest, I don't care which side starts the instigating. It's classless.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 15:44:16 GMT -6
Of course...my point being the left ideology being unity, compassion, equality etc. etc. etc.
If 5 people were sprayed, and two were children, one was elderly (from what has been shown anyway) that is pretty disturbing...
but yes I agree no matter what side one is on, left or right...NOT RIGHT
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Post by shadowmaker on Apr 30, 2016 8:43:31 GMT -6
Did you see the latest? People in California protesting again, destroying police cars, moving barricades, trying to prevent trump from his own event
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