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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 8:25:39 GMT -6
Allow me to pose some thoughts to you lifetime...Why do you believe in the things you believe in? and do the things you believe in matter only if backed by "true facts"? and what exactly are the "true facts"? YES the subject is large...I would say unless someone is actually present during a said event, etc. they aren't going to get the TRUE story on something...example, let's say you have two people involved in an incident and the police come out to take a report, I am sure there will be two different versions of what happened...So what is the truth??? one has to be present to know the truth, and then it is truth based on the way said person perceives said incident...Having said that, I am not saying things like there is no truth to certain events that have happened, just saying there will be varying accounts of them... I know I personally believe in things that most would call crazy I'm sure...lol...but I could care less, I will continue to believe in what my heart tells me...I don't need facts to back my beliefs up...oh and I'm not talking Santa Clause  Individual freedom of thought. Protected by the law.
What do you do when the things you're believing are totally not accepted by your children, even worse, hurt your children? You could care less about that?
I believe this freedom of thought is really important but what's also important is the responsibility coming with this freedom. Our thoughts, in our head, in our heart, have no consequences around us but they have ones when they are expressed in words or in gestures.
And probably, what I or you believe in, even what some could call crazy, have already been thought and even probably it's supported by some theory somewhere.
I imagine, maybe I'm wrong, but I imagine that if you chose something in your life, even contrary to the mainstream thinking, having importance for your loved ones, you made a serious, very serious research in what is shared internationally. It's what we are doing instinctively when it comes to impact those we love the most. We are seeking the TRUTH. Even if we know, there is no ONE TRUTH, we seek every information coming close to it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 8:38:39 GMT -6
You're right. It's an hard work to find the truth, even our own truth (our opinion) in this heap of information.
It's enough to discourage people and to abdicate discovering the truth.
Would you agree this massive abdication of the population forces the media, politicians, research to redefine their way of doing things? It's almost a protest movement in itself.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 10:25:11 GMT -6
My reading touched me a lot lifetime. Frivolity can do a lot of harm. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 13:22:53 GMT -6
Good for you if you read many different sources of information blackswan. My question is more about society in general. It seems to be said in the media that the truth counts less than before. Do you agree with that? It seems to me that we should add, "taking into account the knowledge's liberalization". 100 years ago, knowledge from the research was available to an elite only.
When you say that your truth isn't going to be my truth, you mean that our OPINIONS are different or may be different. That's it?
I believe there is difference between truth and opinion. Our opinion is linked to our own capacity (intellectual, social, etc.) and our will (interest and desire to know) when the truth is seen as the most largely consensual as possible.
This truth is known to be moving because of the knowledge's development yet we try to share it internationally for a more solid foundation. Thus our decisions which are major and vital for the whole world can be taken with a more reliable basis.
When everyone seeks to have an identity with an opinion, the world NEEDS some foundation. When we are at a blink of extinction, to seek some truth has importance.
Are you speaking of fake news or personal ethics and morality? Because I thought this thread was about about fake news and it's influence... As far as society goes, how do we know if truth counts less than before? Do we even know what the "real" truth was before? Back in earlier times, there weren't as many sources to find truth on ones own...people were more controlled by those in power, society was at the mercy of those in power to control... Well yes our opinions may be different, but I would say something is only truth if ONE knows it to be by their own personal account right? I mean unless one is there in witness to, we can't say whether something is in fact true or false can we? We can come to conclusions based on other peoples accounts, but I feel to know the real truth of something WE must be witness to or live it ourselves personally... I see nothing wrong with people seeking identity or having opinions, that is evolution..it is when those opinions are used to "intentionally" harm others is where the problems lie...are we at the brink of extinction? My personal opinion is the Earth and the Solar system are cyclical in their life-cycles...There will Always be cycles of mass extinction...What is important is to seek OUR own truth to our soul's awakening... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 13:53:29 GMT -6
Allow me to pose some thoughts to you lifetime...Why do you believe in the things you believe in? and do the things you believe in matter only if backed by "true facts"? and what exactly are the "true facts"? YES the subject is large...I would say unless someone is actually present during a said event, etc. they aren't going to get the TRUE story on something...example, let's say you have two people involved in an incident and the police come out to take a report, I am sure there will be two different versions of what happened...So what is the truth??? one has to be present to know the truth, and then it is truth based on the way said person perceives said incident...Having said that, I am not saying things like there is no truth to certain events that have happened, just saying there will be varying accounts of them... I know I personally believe in things that most would call crazy I'm sure...lol...but I could care less, I will continue to believe in what my heart tells me...I don't need facts to back my beliefs up...oh and I'm not talking Santa Clause Individual freedom of thought. Protected by the law.
What do you do when the things you're believing are totally not accepted by your children, even worse, hurt your children? You could care less about that?
I believe this freedom of thought is really important but what's also important is the responsibility coming with this freedom. Our thoughts, in our head, in our heart, have no consequences around us but they have ones when they are expressed in words or in gestures.
And probably, what I or you believe in, even what some could call crazy, have already been thought and even probably it's supported by some theory somewhere.
I imagine, maybe I'm wrong, but I imagine that if you chose something in your life, even contrary to the mainstream thinking, having importance for your loved ones, you made a serious, very serious research in what is shared internationally. It's what we are doing instinctively when it comes to impact those we love the most. We are seeking the TRUTH. Even if we know, there is no ONE TRUTH, we seek every information coming close to it.
?? Are you asking me personally? If you are saying in general that peoples actions can lead to negative consequences then YES...If someone is doing something as a parent that is in fact harming their child, then of course they should be responsible and try to change that behavior to not do harm to the child, but said person has to be able to recognize and want to change said behavior...you have to remember, we all go through our own issues...we all do things that may not be setting a "perfect" example at all times that is just being human and being on our own journey...I'm sure most, if not all family's have some skeletons in their closets...Our parents for example, they had their trials...This is where forgiveness and understanding comes in...we need to understand our own parents, for example have their own demons to slay...not only are they our parents, but they are human... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 15:42:09 GMT -6
Allow me to pose some thoughts to you lifetime...Why do you believe in the things you believe in? and do the things you believe in matter only if backed by "true facts"? and what exactly are the "true facts"? YES the subject is large...I would say unless someone is actually present during a said event, etc. they aren't going to get the TRUE story on something...example, let's say you have two people involved in an incident and the police come out to take a report, I am sure there will be two different versions of what happened...So what is the truth??? one has to be present to know the truth, and then it is truth based on the way said person perceives said incident...Having said that, I am not saying things like there is no truth to certain events that have happened, just saying there will be varying accounts of them... I know I personally believe in things that most would call crazy I'm sure...lol...but I could care less, I will continue to believe in what my heart tells me...I don't need facts to back my beliefs up...oh and I'm not talking Santa Clause Individual freedom of thought. Protected by the law.
What do you do when the things you're believing are totally not accepted by your children, even worse, hurt your children? You could care less about that?
I believe this freedom of thought is really important but what's also important is the responsibility coming with this freedom. Our thoughts, in our head, in our heart, have no consequences around us but they have ones when they are expressed in words or in gestures.
And probably, what I or you believe in, even what some could call crazy, have already been thought and even probably it's supported by some theory somewhere.
I imagine, maybe I'm wrong, but I imagine that if you chose something in your life, even contrary to the mainstream thinking, having importance for your loved ones, you made a serious, very serious research in what is shared internationally. It's what we are doing instinctively when it comes to impact those we love the most. We are seeking the TRUTH. Even if we know, there is no ONE TRUTH, we seek every information coming close to it.
?? Are you saying when someone, say an artist, poet, author, musician etc. expresses their thoughts in words/gesture/image...they are being irresponsible? there are negative consequences to them displaying their freedom of thought? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 15:42:37 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2017 9:26:03 GMT -6
So, let's concentrate on the third one.
- I didn't think of artists as a group, particularly. My comment applies to every individual in society and the inspiration for this comment was coming from other sources. I identified it: my nephew and United States' election.
- I spoke of the "responsibility" of every human being's expression in words, gestures and images and not of the irresponsibility (this time ;-) ).
- Since artists of different fields take a lot of time to produce their artistic contribution to the world, I would be encline to say they are often more responsible for them than the mainstream individual on social media. Just because they are aware of the impact, at least, on their image.
- Let's say every individual is his own life's artist... This thought brought me to an interrogation. Does the expression's freedom everyone has now giving them the same opportunities only artists had in the past express a stereotype toward them as frivolous? We see the glamour and not all the research process, all the work.
- The responsibility we have is, in the first place, toward ourselves. To be true to ourselves. So the freedom of thought comes with possible negative consequences, first on ourselves. And many reject this freedom afraid of these consequences.
- This freedom of thought also have consequences on others. At the first place, those in our circle of friends and relatives, those we love the most. Those we care to not hurt and to not lose. And often we have to evaluate what impact our truth will have on them. This is very difficult. By them, by these relations, we see the impact of our thoughts. For them, we are trying to be more rigorous in the truth search. EX: Is this vaccine dangerous or not for my child? Is this house in a clean or a secure environment? We do extensive research to be closer of the truth, that we know not 100% sure.
- The fact seems to be when the circle is larger we tend to forget this sense of responsibility. We forget the search for the truth.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2017 10:37:26 GMT -6
So, let's concentrate on the third one.
- I didn't think of artists as a group, particularly. My comment applies to every individual in society and the inspiration for this comment was coming from other sources. I identified it: my nephew and United States' election.
- I spoke of the "responsibility" of every human being's expression in words, gestures and images and not of the irresponsibility (this time ;-) ).
- Since artists of different fields take a lot of time to produce their artistic contribution to the world, I would be encline to say they are often more responsible for them than the mainstream individual on social media. Just because they are aware of the impact, at least, on their image.
- Let's say every individual is his own life's artist... This thought brought me to an interrogation. Does the expression's freedom everyone has now giving them the same opportunities only artists had in the past express a stereotype toward them as frivolous? We see the glamour and not all the research process, all the work.
- The responsibility we have is, in the first place, toward ourselves. To be true to ourselves. So the freedom of thought comes with possible negative consequences, first on ourselves. And many reject this freedom afraid of these consequences.
- This freedom of thought also have consequences on others. At the first place, those in our circle of friends and relatives, those we love the most. Those we care to not hurt and to not lose. And often we have to evaluate what impact our truth will have on them. This is very difficult. By them, by these relations, we see the impact of our thoughts. For them, we are trying to be more rigorous in the truth search. EX: Is this vaccine dangerous or not for my child? Is this house in a clean or a secure environment? We do extensive research to be closer of the truth, that we know not 100% sure.
- The fact seems to be when the circle is larger we tend to forget this sense of responsibility. We forget the search for the truth.
Sorry for the misunderstanding As far as the US election goes...there were a lot of "untruths"from all over the place...seems wikileaks exposed enough corruption to get people wondering about news sources period...You would think that the media would be more responsible and do what is best for the whole, but it is biased, and media outlets run by certain parties are going to produce the image in which corresponds with their ideology...you see it everywhere...most media leans one way or the other... As far as the rest of this post, you pose some interesting thoughts on "personal responsibility" vs "responsibility as a whole", There stands conflict for sure... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2017 10:38:23 GMT -6
You're right. It's an hard work to find the truth, even our own truth (our opinion) in this heap of information.
It's enough to discourage people and to abdicate discovering the truth.
Would you agree this massive abdication of the population forces the media, politicians, research to redefine their way of doing things? It's almost a protest movement in itself.
Yes I would imagine abdication of the population could in fact cause media, politicians, etc. to redefine their way of doing things...to hold their (populous) attention I suppose...to keep them tuned in... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2017 7:09:56 GMT -6
Something in the air is so inspirational, as a new beginning in democracy. A true population power, not the kind discussed during in the election and in the inauguration speech, but a real one. Coming from those having abdicated. Trump was elected by about 25% of citizens.
After the fear and discouragement, something emerge slowly. Something like hope and commitment. |
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